In the fall of 1969 the final version of "The Dubonnets" was renamed "Phantom Duck". The lead guitarist and I formed the group with a new bass player, drummer and lead vocalist. The group performed heavier covers from groups like Led Zeppelin, The Who, Jimi Hendrix and Bad Company as opposed to the much lighter music "The Dubonnets" were known for like covers from The Beatles, The Beach Boys, The Association and The Fifth Dimension. We played many college clubs in the area and did some traveling.

In 1970 we did have the honor of opening for Bob Seger at "The Sugar Shack" on the Ohio State University Campus. It was not as big a deal as it sounds. Bob used to come down often from Detroit to play "The Shack" and many different groups were used to open for him. Back then, his success was moderate with hits like "Heavy Music" and "Ramblin' Gamblin' Man". The Bob Seger that the world came to know did not achieve international success until the 1980's. I also remember playing a TV Show in Pittsburgh that was directly affiliated with NBC. We played one original song and a very original arrangement of The Beatles' "Eleanor Rigby" that caught the producer's ear so he gave us an elaborate visual production for the number. "Phantom Duck" broke up shortly thereafter. I continued working with several different musicians but no good group materialized. By late 1970, the whole music scene was going in a direction that was foreign to me. It was getting harder and harder to find musicians without all of the 'bad habits' that seemed to accompany musicians back then, but I was still determined to stay in the business.